Against a Penal Substitution:
Small gates open great confidence in those who humiliate Penal Substitution with extravagantly negative things, but I’m gentle.
PSAT minus a PS would be a doable soteriology, just not so glamorous.
Let us be established in what we together presume, namely:
-Divine Mystery won't excuse illocalities without scripture.
-Self contradiction is illogical
-Logic's purpose is to communicate (share/preach.)
Then the function of this book will be to prove two claims:
1. Validity: PS is the most likely interpretation of no verse. (a breach of Sola Scriptura)
2. Soundness: A PS contradicts PSAT. (People don’t realize they already disagree with it.)
Therefore, I, perhaps with you, will conclude that:
-A Penal Substitution shouldn't be preached.
God is Importance.
So, how you relate to Him, is most important to you.
He’ll not trash what’s important.
We may alternatively, enter this booklet at this angle:
Circle reasoning:
1. A Penal Substitute is only required for the spiritual penalty.
2. The spiritual penalty is only required in as much as sins are a part of us.
3. Sins are only a part of us, in as much as a Penal Substitution pays.
Circle reasoning isn't harmless. There are two harms here:
1. Biblically poor terminology.
2. Logically, mixing God and sin.
The following verses tell us that
God trashes what contradicts Him:
You’ll see twenty times, we are told the function of a sacrifice is to trash sins. Even so, God won't be faulted for not putting sin to death preferable with His body, or at least passively with ours (hell.) Yes, God prefers to actively empower sin's death. To give His body for that, is glory. He doesn't refuse HimSelf the honor to die away sins.
A sinners current condemnation is not yet finally executed. There’s no hell for you yet. Death comes before judgment (Heb 9:26-8), so Jesus died before He could become a PS. PS is basically wrath to come, injected into thee hours on the cross. Jesus “wrath” exhausting and outlasting sin in this life, prevents God’s wrath in the next life from being exhausted upon Jesus for three hours.
The cross is a sin outlet, not a wrath outlet. People get wrath, not sin. Christ is Head, and means no sin to God ward.
Jesus is not firstly a wall for us against God’s wrath but a wall for God, against our sins. Keep your priorities straight. Jesus death prevents Jesus from a PS. His wrath, meaning condemnation executed at the cross, prevented PS wrath.
The Bible says that God doesn’t account sin to us, but righteousness. The Bible doesn’t say about either of those being accounted to Jesus, but PSAT does.
Sin= “transgression of the law”
(1 Jn 3:4)
The law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.(Rom 4:15)
A law is “a system of rules a community recognizes as regulating.”
So, a law defines a relationship.
For example: law of sin (Rom 4:15,) law of Christ…
God's Lamb takes away sin "in His body" or "in His flesh."
Lev 16:21 Sin goes on the goat. But still, they put the hand on the Lamb's head as well. So, I think the symbolism is the same.
The Lamb is not hurt as a sinner, but only as sin. (Hurt and death aren’t punishment.) The sin put on the Lamb is not imputed to the Lamb. An animal can’t mean your sins against God, but it can die- and that’s why it’s used. Why spotless? So that it doesn’t become a sort of PS.
“put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”
2Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
Sin not sinner. Jesus was made sin. But knew not the sin He carried. Unlike Adam and Eve, He never forsook God to join another. So, He died with sin, still never knowing them, never trusting them spiritually. Thus His God, raised Him up from them.
Notice also the parallel. God becoming our physical victim, would be a problem, unless we deduct it was for forgiveness. He was made what God rid. We are made what God accepts. Moreover, what we did wrong- He was made. And what God did right- we were made. He was our work, we were His.
The Old Testament Lambs were not punished while they took sins away. So also, Christ. On the cross sins are killed, not sinners punished. For He doesn’t replace us, but our sins.
Col 2:8-14 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit,
… putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, …dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh (as not sanctified with the Spirit yet)…quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting …contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
1Pe_2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree
(Rm 8:3, 34) Who can condemn us? Christ. But instead: “Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh”
Imputed doesn’t mean put. Imputed means reckoned or accounted for… His righteousness is imputed to us, not our sins to Him. Jesus carried our sins through suffering to death. Suffering shows resistance; the death was not accidental.
1Pe_4:1 suffered for us in the flesh…
“For”(hyper) doesn’t have to mean a substitute. He gave His life, in the place of our release, and anything can be a sort of exchange. But that’s to vague for PS.
Heb 12:2 for(anti) the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame,
Heb 2:9 Jesus,…made a little lower than the angels for(dia) the suffering of death…
God saves punishment for hell, but destroys sin for heaven. Final punishment awaits the eternal realm. Jesus can only die in the temporary realm. And He did, with sin. So sin is gone before He enters eternity. Meaning, no punishment for anyone. Jesus death in the temporary realm prevented eternal danger. Moreover, God forbid that Jesus let God be offended by our sins, before taking them away. (God tolerated sins so that He wouldn’t have to tolerate those sins. Rom 3:25 tells us that there’s nothing wrong with God tolerating sins. So this is no pragmatic error, but within God’s right.)
Now, common sense says that God can pre-give (forgive, give afore) us more than we can steal, especially to change our motive. But on the cross we see (not only man against God) but God against sin, not men. That is, Jesus is putting away, condemning sin with His body to justify God in the Spirit (1Tim 3:16.) How? Taking sin away from God, is a performance which declares that God doesn't accept the sin He tolerated, meaning sin isn't right in God's opinion. ("Just" and "Right" are the same Greek words.) Like, look at the blood they beat out of me, this is real toleration, not a play toleration.
PenSubs like Rom 3:25-6. In simple words, it says:
God tolerates sin, so He tolerated our sins.
This toleration isn’t sin.
The propitiation is evidence that God (thus us) is without sin.
Particularly, PenSubs like that word propitiation which comes from an old Hebrew root meaning, covering (of the mercy seat. Heb 9:5) God is happy because He doesn’t see our sins.
Therefore, PSAT merely benefits from Rom 3:25-6 a platform to assume PS. It is noteworthy that assuming the antithesis may be the worst type of assumption. They assume: Because He’s not offended by sin here, He must have been already offended by sin here.
Blood cleanses us from all sin. (1Jn 1:7)
Washed us from our sins in His Own blood. (Rev 1:5)
Like water washes, Jesus blood went down to the ground with impurities, sin. And He gives His blood to God, not just to evidence the washing, but to receive it’s power.
His sacrificial blood to put away sin, was payment enough to release us. No PS debt besides.
What was paid for? Release. That’s what ransom and redeem mean.
Jesus paid the redemption price, (Matt 20:28) a ransom to loose us from sin.
Christ has redeemed (released) us from the law's curse and to God, (with His death) (Gal 3:13)
(God sent Him to save us so) so Jesus gave HimSelf a ransom (release) for all (1 Tim 2:6)
Gave HimSelf… to redeem (release) us from all iniquity(Tit 2:14)
Obtained eternal redemption (release) for us. (Heb 9:12)
Christ labors to purge transgressions, not pay a debt. Our debt is trashed, unpaid. The PS itself is only about the debt so it doesn’t go here; but let’s speculate where Christ takes the sin to death away from us and God? Without the connection to God, we offend God. So Jesus crucified that independence on a tree, because that’s where it came from. So, sins become accidents, meant to lack will but not to be judged like people. They can die though, and Jesus died them.
But are sins paid? No, but the Bible says:
Forgiven
Freed from sin
Lay not this sin
Will not count sin
Sin is not counted
Take away our sins
Remember no more
Sins may be blotted out
Hid from Thy face…and covered (quoting David)
Hide a multitude of sins. James 5:20
(The scapegoat wasn't offered to God, but instead sent far away... As east from west...cast into the depths...)
God’s wrath:
...he that believeth not the Son... the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36b
...He reserveth wrath for His enemies. Nah 1:2b
...for the wrath of God .... men who hold the truth in unrighteousness Rom 1:18
...for (sins) the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience: Col 3:6
It says children, because they’re not yet held fully responsible as they will be in hell. From another aspect: They are fully responsible, but in a different way. Nature gives any life a chance to adapt, repent; otherwise they die. We should attribute that gentleness to God.
What about us?
Eph_2:3 … were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
By nature, means we lacked a spiritual connection with God. That’s called “sin nature.” (btw, the secondary, more passive definition for “sin nature” is: man’s observed tendency to sin.)
John 3 says we're condemned already for not believing! The referenced were not in hell. So, if it’s our condemnation He bears, (not just our sin) that condemnation will be dead before Jesus can suffer it in the afterlife. Of course, the Bible never says that God condemns Christ, even in our place.
By the way, we see peace and reconciliation with the cross passages, not wrath. He is slow to wrath, for people to repent. God is angry with and hates the wicked, meaning hard heart. But God is long-suffering for sake of the elect. No spot was prepared for people in hell. Instead, unbelievers abandon the place God would have for them in heaven. (God knew they’d be condemned, and still brought them into the world for that.)
God (grievously) forsook Jesus to men:
Cry of Dereliction
... My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me? Matt 27:46
(vinegar)
Jesus, when He had cried AGAIN with a loud voice, yielded up the SPIRIT.
(vinegar)
Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the SPIRIT.
...When Jesus had cried with a loud voice, He said, Father, into Thy hands I commend My Spirit: and having said thus, He gave up the SPIRIT. Luke 23:46
(vinegar)
...He said, "It is finished": and He bowed His head, and gave up the SPIRIT. Jn 19:30
Context from Psalm 22:
1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? (to oppressing men)
why art thou so far from helping(not hurting) me, and from the words of my roaring? (Gethsemane)
4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them. (from oppressing men)
6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. (He saved others; Himself He cannot save)
16 ...they pierced My hands and My feet.
18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the DOG.(not GOD)
24 ...(God) hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; (God doesn’t abhor the One being afflicted!)
neither hath he hid his face from Him; but when he cried unto him, He heard. (Did not hide His face)
Heb 5:7-9 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; ...learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; ...being made perfect, He became the Author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him;
Observation from that quote:
He doesn't use the affectionate and spiritual term, "Father."
Other scripture implies that Son of God referred to the Son of Man, Jesus
Order: 1. "Forsaken" 2. vinegar 3. "It's finished"/"into thy hands" (loud cry.) 4. gave up the Spirit
It's not in John's logical doctrine. It's not in Luke's emotional observations.
It's in Matthew, because He's quoting an OT Psalm. And it's in Mark as it's attention grabbing.
Jesus despises the suffering why? For the joy before Him (Heb 12)
He was hungry, and tempted in all points as we are. Heb 4:15 (Gal 3, under the same curse. 100% man.)
The forsaking was before His Spirit left His body.
The body without the spirit is dead, implies James.
You ask "why?" in order to change the situation not being critical of God. He didn't wish suicide.
From context, people felt He was calling for someone. (He wanted God)
No one can imagine suffering completely undeservingly
Abraham and Ishmael "gave up the Ghost" Gen 25 Issac, Jacob also. Job talked about it. Jeremiah spoke of it. esp. Jer 14:10
People speculate that Jesus was deprived of feeling God's favor toward Him. But God truely and faithfully favored Him anyway. God was the only One He could relate with at such deep level.
...God left (Hezekiah), to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart. 2 Chron 32:31 Also, reason was withheld from Nebuchadnezzar. Dan 4:36
Has PSAT been the most likely interpretation of any verse I gave so far? Consider that, as we continue peeling away atonement verses from PS, one by one.
Why'd He die?
...Christ died for our 2. sins(to purge them) according to the scriptures; 1Co 15:3
...He was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. Isa 53:9
Death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto 2. sin once: but in that he liveth, he 1. liveth unto God. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be 2.dead (not paid or punished) indeed 2. unto sin, but alive 1. unto God Rom 6:10
For to this end Christ both died and rose; and revived, that he might be 1.Lord both of the dead and living. Rom 14:9
...it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: (to fulfill prophecy) and that repentance (2.from sin 1.to God) and 2. remission of sins should be preached in his name. Luk 24:46-47
Who 2. died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should 1. live together with him. 1Thess 5:10
And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto 2.themselves, (Lordship) but unto 1.him which died for them, and 1. rose again. (for God) 2 Cor 5:15
New covenant… 1. they shall all know me, 2. for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Jer 31:34 (Hebrews quotes this passage twice.)
Offering, not payment: (His body was needed, Heb 10:5)
the offering of the body of Jesus Heb 10:10
by one offering Heb 10:14
given himself for us an offering Eph 5:2
offered one sacrifice for sins Heb 10:12
Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many... Heb 9:28
through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, Heb 9:14
Baptism about His death and resurrection.
Communion:
... my body...in remembrance of me... cup is the new testament in my blood: ...in remembrance of me. ...shew the Lord's death 1Co 11:26
What's the Bible say about payment?
2 Pet 2:1-3 denying the Lord that bought them, …through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you…
1Cor 6:18-20 Flee fornication… sinneth against his own body…ye are not your own… bought with a price:
1Cor 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
So we see that Christ’s (sin rinsing) blood is more valuable than money. And God owns you more. But these three sanctification verses are not evidence of a PS atonement.
There’s yet one other passage which may link the atonement with payment. Rom 6:23 reads “wages of sin is death.” James 1 also points out that sin results in death. But here we see an extra meaning. Namely, wages are compared to a gift. That is, the earned vs the unearned. However, not everything unearned is Penal Substitution. And if everything was a PS, then Penal Substitution would mean nothing.
Firstly, it's the only actual paid passage they have. Secondly, just because it's a payment doesn't make it a PS. Thirdly, we notice that if it's a penalty package, it's only a package of our deaths, and not a package of our hells collected into His death. But the PS package can't exist as only a package of our deaths. Therefore, this verse cannot help PS.
Again about Rom 6:23: Sin results in death, we worked that.
It is most likely that our enemy death is not a PS. Just as the death of a butterfly is not a PS. And it is most likely that what is earned is not a PS. Your boss doesn't pay you a PS. Well, that's the explicit. But implicitly, death seems to be not directly from God, as opposed to PS. Like, why would God create a devil to do evil, if God wanted the blame? So, why do they like this verse? Simply because of the word, “wages.”
A law doesn’t necessarily use penalties to enforce its rule. For example, the NT has no penalties.
If one is dead (since Adam) to their first spiritual connection with God, and now won’t accept the new relationship with God- their eternal habitation will be away from God. They were cast out of the old relationship because of evil doings. But they forfeit the new relationship because of unbelief.
Solid PSAT quotes:
Wayne Grudem, a highly respected Reformed theologian: God... "poured out on Jesus the fury of his wrath: Jesus became the object of the intense hatred of sin and vengeance against sin which God had patiently stored up since the beginning of the world."
Wyatt Graham, director of The Gospel Coalition said "This act implies that God hates humans since he would have poured wrath upon humans if not for the work of Christ’s cross."
God would not had ever poured wrath on believers. He would had always found someway to saved them. That’s deduced logically. We must think that about God. Graham seems to be extrapolating PSAT, as if to mock it. PenSubs tend to do that. They deny their theory because it cancels itself, along with natures canceling of PSAT.
He did do that, so we shouldn’t think that it’s possible in any world because this is the only world we know. People imagine other worlds because they lack knowledge. Knowledge would lead ultimately to only one world: ours. Again, it’s not our job to think God would had been different in a world we can’t understand. We should rather figure out the world which we can understand. It’s like a scientist doing experiments. He can’t just pretend things are constant across all instances, replicates. We know God in our own way, regardless if there be others. Anyway, God doesn’t hate humans. Is there anything human left about someone who has completely forsaken God’s image? God wouldn’t had
Doesn’t feel like Bible, does it? To get these solid quotes, I had to weed through many squashy ones. Actually, part of my job (glorifying the gospel,) is to prove which form of PSAT is most solid. So, you’re welcome.
Isaiah 53
Isa 53:10a to bruise Jesus: pleased the LORD
Notice "to bruise Him" is an infinitive. That's what pleased the Lord. Scripture doesn’t directly say God smote Jesus. And since God is ultimately responsible for all evil, we cannot at all say that Christ being on the cross at all favors a PS interpretation.
God handed over Jesus to men. That’s only pragmatically, a death sentence. And God is ultimately responsibility for everything requiring PS to require a direct link. So, let’s pretend you find that direct link, a passage where God directly smites Jesus (when Jesus gives the sacrifice.) Still hurt is in most cases is not necessarily paying a penalty. This means, PS is too random than to add to the Bible.
Isa 53:10b He hath put Him to grief:
Notice the KJV italics: It's saying, God did grievously (forsaking Christ to men.) It was grievous. What grieves? Death. Whose? His Son's. Thus the italics. That's not punishing anything or venting PS on Jesus. Would PS be a likely implication though? As likely as adding other random motivations. So, not likely.
Isa 53:11a He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied:
He was satisfied when He saw His Son bruised. It was a great and satisfying work or cause. It makes sense without any PS. Would PS be a likely implication though? Any heresy could say that God was satisfied with it. It’s not a PS debt being resolved.
Isaiah 53:4-5 PSAT sees this as saying: We thought He was hurt for his sins, but really He was hurt for our sins. I have no need to disagree. More generally, I might interpret this: "We only thought He just being punished, but really he was sacrificing away sins."
Other Isa 53:5
wounded for our transgressions,
bruised for our iniquities: (died for our sins)
the chastisement of our peace was upon him;
with his stripes we are healed. (like, washed clean of sin by His blood)
Isa 53:6 the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Multiple passages like 1 Peter 2:24 talk about bearing sin, which doesn't mean that Christ either meant or paid any of them.)
PSAT is not the best interpretation
of any scripture, right?
Gal 3:13 “made a curse for us” We could actually now say(Rm 8:34) that as Judge He has the potential to be a curse to us, but He won't. Of course, this verses isn’t saying that. It says that He was cursed. (Deu 21:23 …he that is hanged is accursed of God;)
Saying that Jesus is a curse, sounds strange. PSAT can use strange language verses because people are rightly careful not to toss out random interpretations for them. But these mysterious verses shouldn’t disagree with what’s well known.
Sometimes people stretch this to mean that Jesus was united to our reason for being cursed. Like after dying, He’s no more one flesh with sin and it’s curse. Death resolved that flesh link, and there never was a spiritual intention link.
Obviously, Jesus isn’t punished for the good deed of carrying sins away. PSAT only says He’s punished while carrying sins. Either way, seems superficial and dishonest.
Exo 34:7 (God forgives and) will by no means clear the guilty. (Heb: no clear clear) The double is emphasis. God is either merciful, or strict. Two different standards. PSAT preachers use this verse to say, God uniformly punishes all (including vessels of mercy.) But of those punished, some are saved. This interpretation is illogical to this verse as it does clear some who were guilty.
The cross was a Dark Day but not because God was excising a hatred of us.
Paul said that he would go to hell for unbelievers. But Christ is better than Paul. He also said in Philemon, I will repay, although you owe me much more. Will God then repay? He gave His Son.
We saw above, Ps 22:6, that Jesus felt like a worm, rather than a man. Isa 52 end: His visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men. The Hebrew can be interpreted, beyond recognition as a man. Either way, PS is not so much about his visage and form.
PSA people like this passage:
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, … Christ our passover is sacrificed for us.
We’re passed over because we’re cleansed, but not first paid for.
The Hebrew word for ransom can be translated, bribe. But it’s up to the translator to determine the best connotation for God.
Logic:
Condense:
Obviously, Jesus sacrifice wouldn’t be accepted if He meant a sin. To mean a sin means that your spirit if holding onto flesh instead of God. Meaning a sin, is your link to sin, but not exaclty the sin or you. This link is cast of along with sin, for you do not need it. Instead, we a get a connection with God. PS would say that old relationship with sin needs paid. But God will not pay the law between you and sin because He’s zealous. Anyway, Jesus death instead of our was accepted because unlike us His connection to God was strong and God didn’t leave it off, as to support another relationship, that would essentially cease upon His replacement.
Jesus didn’t mean the sins He bore, and isn’t punished for them as if He spiritually meant to hold onto them, as if God was disconnected from His trust. God doesn’t count guilty, who’s not guilty. He counted sin guilty through Jesus body. PS says He counts us guilty in as much as we are the spirit of our sins.
God knew He wasn’t guilty therefore God wouldn’t count Him as guilty in any spiritual reality but only in the blindness of the flesh. Thus He came to earth. Jesus kindly took responsibility for sins. So we will agree that the legal fiction is no more than fiction. The disagreement then becomes whether or not you think God uses a fiction in some context.
If PS pays off sins, they’ll never get what is due them. Sins are due to die; Jesus body is needed for that. PS is Jesus absorbing wrath rather than sin. But they would say, sin absorbs the wrath, not Jesus properly. And the condemnation executed, meaning wrath, is death. So Jesus then only has to die.
Was Jesus condemned for sin? Only by men, wrongly. That is, sin condemn Him as He condemned is, but He outlasted that contradiction of men. Yea, He overwhelmed it. We were condemn for the sins we bore. He bore our sins, without meaning them. To add a fictional condemnation then, is baseless. They’ll say, it’s in scripture to sanction it under Divine Mystery. Fair enough but I appeal that PS can’t used such sanction, without scriptural backing. And that backing, or lack thereof, is what we continue to show soon.
No unless better:
We need God, to pay for life outside of HimSelf would then be to make another god for us.
What knowledge we share contradicts what a PS adds.
Because of the cross outlet, sins are dead to the everlasting God. Thus, no hell would have been prepared for those sins. So also, the wrath of PS would be prevented, being preceded in a logical way.
If Jesus absorbs a persons penalty, rather than coming down to dis away and outlast sin: then, God’s against the person, and thus HimSelf for hating who He loves.
At cross: Sins die and God gets us. PSAT says opposite: we punished with sins.
If sin was eternal, it wouldn't have to die (with Christ's body.) Thus (an eternal package of) PS can't exist!
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Nothing but PS makes PS needed. PSAT invites itself to the party as nothing else invites it. If I wrote a novel about a lover giving his life, it would take a twisted mind to infer I meant a PS. They excuse, that He does it because He’s God. So I repeat that He doesn’t do it because He’s God.
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Contradiction is a condition, a mutual exclusion:
Two things can’t share the same space.
(If they do, one no longer exists.)
Sin is contradiction to God.
Sin begins and ends in the temporary, not the eternal.
Sin can’t rule us, unless we’re not trusting God.
Any relationship we had with sin, goes unpaid.
Only Christ can free us from satan, since Adam.
We, like devils, maybe considered the only spirit behind any sins.
All God wants from sin, is it’s death.
God wants our presence.
Had God received us with sin, there’d be wrath.
That wrath would require an outlet just as sin.
That wrath would be a spiritual penalty, as death is the temporal penalty of sin.
But Jesus prevents that wrath.
Sins carried away from God, don’t need paid.
Sins not carried away from God, will never be paid.
Sins supposedly carried straight to God, is called PSAT.
God is not against His Own good wrath, but sin.
PSAT substitutes our wrongs, for His wrath
This means, emptying wrath instead of sin.
That’s wrong.
God doesn't rid His wrath.
PSAT rids His wrath.
Do you prefer to rid God or PSAT?
Jesus death was temporary because things being a theif is temporary.
Eternal souls are forever.
If Jesus death was eternal (packaged into 3 hours), then He’s paying for a source of life outside of God.
God wouldn’t like that.
Jesus released sins before He could be punished. His death, kept Him from being a penal substitute.
God temporarily let’s PSAT oppose Him,
So that it’s follower may repent.
Sin is a problem, wrath is a proper response.
Ridding good wrath doesn’t rid the problem.
Since PSAT rids the wrath, it’s superficial.
Thus God is more realistic than PSAT
Christ’s death took away sins.
Without sins, there’s no wrath.
PSAT’s wrath is causeless.
Paying wrath is to be against His Own wrath
Therefore, God cannot afford to pay.
But He can afford to pre-give our sins.
and so rid sins by giving them back,
If PS wrath doesn’t exist, it wouldn’t be at the cross.
PSAT says that without PS, PSAT wrath would be at the cross.
Then, PSAT is wrong.
If God holds sin against a dependent, He holds sin against HimSelf.
While those who aren’t His dependents, go to hell.
In either case, a PS isn’t needed.
People pay because they’re against things. For example, you pay for food, because you’re against starving. Now, God is against dwelling with sin, so His payment to rid sin was Jesus death. Meaning, Jesus slew sins with His Own body. It was worth the price. What would dying away that lack of relationship (lawfulness) or independence (lawlessness) look like? Simply put it back on the tree it came from. Again, God trashes sins! But that’s not PS. PSAT adds a PS to absorb wrath for no reason. But it makes itself needed by preventing God from removing sins, until He pays PS first. (Biblical? no.)
PSAT thinks:
Rather than not, Christ preferred to absorb God’s wrath.
Rather than not, God preferred to be wrathful.
Romans 3:25 cannot justify PSAT, without their assuming an implication. Moreover, assuming the opposite of what the text says is likely a wrong assumption. I mean, PSAT assumes that because God wasn’t offended at the cross, He must have been offended. Since you could equally read in the opposite interpretation, there’s no reason for PSAT to leach Rom 3:25 unless to deceive.
Romans 3:25-6:
God tolerates sin, so He tolerated our sins.
This toleration isn’t sin.
The propitiation is evidence that God (thus us) is without sin.
PSAT is not the best interpretation of any verse.
PSAT uses verses to make you think it’s in the Bible.
So, PSAT deceives.
PenSubs say that if we don’t understand PSAT we should trust God instead.
PSAT can’t be understood by any man, so we should all trust God instead.
Divine mystery are the things we shouldn’t know.
PSAT claims to be based on Divine Mystery
So we shouldn’t know about PSAT.
PSAT is a breach in Sola Scriptura.
PSAT tolls God from removing sin.
Furthermore, PSAT says God does it to HimSelf.
It’s wrong to prevent God.
PSAT thinks it’s ok, since it’s temporary.
God maybe passive toward sin, but that’s different than actively opposing HimSelf. He would not do the latter. So He wouldn’t do PSAT.
PSAT prevents God and His plan as a problem. We shouldn’t do that.
PSAT is self canceling. But so long as it lives, it never allows God to remove sin. Interestingly, it’s finished when sins are.
PSAT isn’t invited by other doctrines.
But PSAT invites itself.
Then, PSAT pronounces itself the greatest doctrine.
Jon was best friends with Tom. Sue was Tom’s wife. Jon died saving Sue. - How likely is it, that Jon’s death was meant to pay for Sue’s offenses. Unlikely. I would say, twisted.
Trusting God for PSAT, is trusting PSAT in place of God.
PSAT makes justifying God more inconvenient.
God’s worth the inconvenience.
God’s also worth removing the inconvenience.
There are three with testify against PSAT:
Nature’s logic and common sense.
PSAT in that it cancels itself for not preventing God’s forgiveness.
It testifies boldly against itself through it’s followers'mouths. Or else they defend faintly, as they try to hide what they realize of it.
PSAT doesn’t answer how Jesus died sins away,
but it does make more questions.
Is it better to keep sin from God or hell from us? PSAT says the latter. Then, PSAT is wrong.
Should there be a sin outlet, or wrath outlet? PSAT says the latter. PSAT is wrong.
PSAT doesn’t make God accept sin.
PSAT doesn’t make God more willing to forgive.
PSAT doesn’t ablate sins.
PSAT only satisfies itself.
PSAT’s cause is officially and conveniently for itself: mystery.
Wrath release is dealt with before it splatters, but
PSAT wrath release is dealt with spattering and splattered.
PSAT is a poor metaphor, or else it’s not a metaphor.
If it’s a real thing, PSAT’s pay is either the same or different than purging sin.
If it’s the same, it’s deceitful. If it’s different, it’s wrong.
It is funner and easier to say God condemns, destroys transgressions at the cross.
If God hated us,
He'd hate HimSelf -for trying to save us.
He would also hate HimSelf -for being against those who He’s for.
A temporary course correction is all that’s needed, as opposed to an eternal PS. A PS couldn’t be eternal unless God supported sin that long, since sin has no life in itself.
PS splits God and damns one as God doesn't justify Who He condemns. Yet if He did, then in that same way (passing the buck: us to Christ to sin) He wouldn't commit PS because sins would be already condemned without Christ. (note transgression can take the buck: die without eternally dying)
Evidently, unless PS is wrong, god's evil. (I've found no other alternative.)
After Jesus died, Jesus was already preaching Jn 19:30, 1Pe 3:19. I mean, sins were already gone.
Lostness, blindness, and hurt provides a place for Jesus to die, and us to repent.
Justification through repetition is known as “the truth effect.”
God comes down, both 2.pre-giving sins with His flesh, while giving us a 1.new will with His Spirit.
God gives and pre-gives. Without Him, our nature is only to take. He designed us unable to replace Him. Even so, a love of being owed is the root of all evil.
Now, as you have been so fervent in spirit with PSAT, how much better will your zeal shine without it? For when PSAT is not blocking the sun, knowledge will grow.
About Me:
Your
relationship with God is most important to you. Sin blocks that
relationship. So, sin must be removed! Jesus does that ablation. But
PSAT prevents it with a Penal Substitution.
We all agree
with general ablation. But I am forced to add Ablation-Only, in order
to prevent PSAT from preventing general ablation with a PS. So you
can call me, Sola Ablation.
I look forward to heaven, when I’ll no longer need to worry about PS. Until I’m replaced, it is my duty here to warn.
You may have two problems with me:
The problem of evil is only the temporary day we live in, and in which our Lord was crucified. God made the problem of evil for repentance. The problem of evil means we have some responsibility that we shouldn’t have. For God is worth the evil, the cross declares that rather than trying to minus it (as PSAT).
The second problem you may have with me is that your flesh would use my truths as license to sin.
Summarizing PS:
PSAT 1:1 God's always gets even. (Not Just! say they, to ablate sin without PS. But that's Self-Justification at the expense of God's attributes.)
PSAT 1:2 Christ's death and our hell, are in a relationship of payment and fee.
PSAT 1:3 Without this fee being paid, there's no forgiveness of sins. (Nor with the fee, When God owes you as much as you owe Him that PS is complete. For sins to be debt is mutually exclusive of sins being garbage to purge.)
PSAT 1:4 God poured wrath on the Son. (No, God didn't condemn Him but left Him to men.)
PSAT 1:5 Jesus took our place. (Jesus wasn't guilty of the sin He carried.)
PSAT 1:6 The PS debt is paid off. (The debt doesn't exist. Jesus justifies no sin with pay, but us. That is, He paid His blood to carry sins away, as God justly so hates them.)